Is the LTN adversely affecting you? Comment below to let us know your experiences of the Fox Lane LTN.
26 Comments
SWG
on June 25, 2021 at 8:29 pm
The LTN has ruined my life, I live on Cannon Hill with a young toddler. The constant traffic, beeping, road rage, stuck buses and lorries, means it is impossible to get my son to sleep. We can’t open the windows even in the heat of the summer due to the now high pollution levels. I don’t drive, I don’t own a car, I pay the same council tax as all the privileged people who apparently deserve cleaner air at our expense. Tell me HOW IS THIS FAIR??? Who decided my family and my road doesn’t deserve ‘fresh air’? You have basically decided there are people who will be privileged at the expense of us. I didn’t buy my home on a ring road, those in the Lakes Estate knew their roads could be busy.
There are clear links between pollution and many illnesses, including cancer, this decision has meant those on the new ‘ring road’ are now at higher risk. I can’t understand how anyone thinks this is OK. They are either deluded to somehow justify ‘reduced traffic levels’ by pretending the same traffic isn’t just sitting on different roads, or they are not interested in our lives and health, and only interested in those living in expensive houses off fox lane.
Hi Sarah
We truly understand how you feel that’s One Community is fighting against this LTN. If you haven’t already you can you feedback directly to healthystreets@enfield.gov.uk
Thank you for your leaflet regarding fox lane. Why hasn’t broomfield lane been included in this as the traffic on the stretch of road with two double bends is dangerous as they speed round the corners. This has been reported on many occasions. Traffic builds up all the way to traffic lights next to the library. As residents we are fed up with it, not only do we have constant traffic but now fox lane has closed the traffic is building up on broomfield lane. Judging by the information on this leaflet it seems that the focus is towards the lakes side. We need to address the issues in the whole of palmers green if we are all a community!
One Community Enfield
on August 11, 2021 at 9:24 am
Hi Penny. thanks for getting in touch. One of the big issues is that Enfield Council failed to take into account the knock-on effect of closing roads outside of the immediate LTN. They refuse to see what’s happening and appear to ignore the voice of those living outside of the LTN. This is one of the reasons why the council should remove the LTN and look again at how traffic can be slowed down and be less polluting. If you haven’t already, please join us by signing up for the One Community newsletter here https://stopfoxlaneltn.org/get-involved/
My sister in law has asked me to write to you on her behalf. She has no internet, like many other people she lives in Southgate and is finding getting around more difficult with the increase in traffic due to cycle lanes and the closure of roads. It has done nothing to help pollution or the flow of traffic. She uses a car and cannot use other means of transport again like so many people. My husband has spent over an hour along alderman,s hill to get to our house in Palmers Green, it is unbelievable. That is because he can not use the side streets. The only benefit of this action has increase the amount of money due to fines that people have incurred due to not understanding the road signs which are not clear and in many cases not necessary.
If you are closing the use of roads can we get a reduction on our road tax? I also agree with these comments, although I have complained before I have not got an acknowledgement, I hope someone will get to read this and make a note of our dissatisfaction. Traffic was not so congested before these ideas of low traffic neighbourhood schemes were introduced. So can we go back to what it was before. I feel more thought should be given and consultation with the public before going ahead with costly and non essential projects. More homes are being built (yes necessary) which will contribute to more traffic and congestion if these schemes are not scrapped.
I hope this will be dealt with as soon as possible.
One Community Enfield
on August 11, 2021 at 9:22 am
Hi Catherine. Thanks for getting in touch. One of the big issues is that Enfield Council failed to take into account the knock-on effect of closing roads outside of the immediate LTN. The fact that your sister is finding it so difficult to get around is one of the reasons why the council should remove the LTN and look again at how traffic can be slowed down and be less polluting. If you haven’t already, please join us by signing up for the One Community newsletter here https://stopfoxlaneltn.org/get-involved/
The LTN is a very bad idea its definitely not working, in the last 2 months its becoming constant heavy traffic on Aldermans Hill , The Bourne, Cannon Hill , The Green /Southgate , Bourne Hill , High Street , you have forced all traffic on these roads it like this most days , and now everyone stuck , cars , buses , lorries, means now all journey times are taking for ever , normally before LTN introduced its tales around 2-3 minutes from Cannon Hill to Green Lane Palmer’s Green , now its takes 10 minutes and over ..
With all this number of vehicles sitting in traffic every days on hours none stop is causing high pollution levels , plus time wasted on setting on traffic even for ones using buses , more flue cost for car owner etc,
There is no justification for the LTN its actually cased bigger problem , you may think to reduced traffic levels’ but have created even more by traffic sitting on different roads, you should come out and see the problem yourself maybe will understand !
The LTN must be scraped , as its not working who ever decide to come up with this ideal must be deluded , this was never planned through properly as what will the impact will be , this scheme not suitable for this area .. as I can’t understand how anyone thinks this is OK and a good idea ..
One Community Enfield
on August 11, 2021 at 9:49 am
Hi George. We agree with all the points made but are still waiting for Enfield Council to make a decision. In the meantime, if you haven’t already, please join us by signing up for the One Community newsletter here https://stopfoxlaneltn.org/get-involved/
Dreadful idea, increases pollution and levels of traffic – as well as causing congestion in otherwise quiet roads. Just another hare-brained idea of a grossly incompetent Mayor.
One Community Enfield
on August 11, 2021 at 9:43 am
But the decision to implement the scheme is taken at council level and Enfield Council seem hell bent on keeping the scheme. We have to keep recording the issues and telling everyone what the effects continue to be. In case you are interested and if you haven’t already, please join us by signing up for the One Community newsletter here https://stopfoxlaneltn.org/get-involved/
I have witnessed 2 car accidents in the past 3 weeks where drivers are doing sudden u-turns on high street/Cannon hill when they see that traffic is not moving. I can’t believe how much this project has had a negative impact on so many people.
Five minute essential journeys are now taking 20 + minutes.
Pollution is awful.
Traffic noise is up.
Continuous sirens as only one route.
Road rage.
Have stopped using Southgate High street as it’s means being sat in traffic at any time if the day.
One Community Enfield
on August 11, 2021 at 9:42 am
Hi Angela. That’s dreadful to hear. We would encourage you to let your local councillors know about the car accidents; it’s really important that they are made aware of what’s happening during this “non-reporting” period since the Let’s Talk system closed. In the meantime, if you haven’t already, please join us by signing up for the One Community newsletter here https://stopfoxlaneltn.org/get-involved/
Thank you, I thought no one else cared – I received your card through my door today and yes I would like to add my name to this protest about the LTNs.
This scheme is the most stupid thing ever, it is dividing our community. If i want to visit soemone over Fox Lane then I have to drive all the around and go via Green Lanes and Aldermans Hill – And that is such a waste of time – exactly what politicians are good at – divide and rule.
I have lived in Palmers Green for 26 years now and because of this absolute stupidity I am thinking of moving.
If the politicians think this is working for their constituents – the people they are meant to be representing – then it is NOT.
One Community Enfield
on August 11, 2021 at 9:40 am
Hi Rasheed. We absolutely agree with you. It’s ill thought out and driving a wedge between people. We are still waiting to hear what the council intends to do about the scheme.In the meantime, if you haven’t already, please join us by signing up for the One Community newsletter here https://stopfoxlaneltn.org/get-involved/
Make all 17 roads that were closed one way. If some roads want to be a cul de sac that’s fine but not all 17. This is causing more pollution and needless stress on people’s already stressful lives
One Community Enfield
on August 11, 2021 at 9:35 am
HI Matthew – we agree with your comment that the scheme is creating more pollution and stress. The Haringey Ladders has an alternative system for traffic flow which has worked. But the Council seem fixated on keeping this LTN, although a decision has yet to be made by the council. In the meantime, if you haven’t already, please join us by signing up for the One Community newsletter here https://stopfoxlaneltn.org/get-involved/
Make all 17 roads that were closed one way. If some roads want to be a cul de sac that’s fine but not all 17. This is causing more pollution and needless stress on people’s already stressful lives
One Community Enfield
on August 11, 2021 at 9:35 am
HI Matthew – we agree with your comment that the scheme is creating more pollution and stress. The Haringey Ladders has an alternative system for traffic flow which has worked. But the Council seem fixated on keeping this LTN, although a decision has yet to be made by the council. In the meantime, if you haven’t already, please join us by signing up for the One Community newsletter here https://stopfoxlaneltn.org/get-involved/
I was taking my late father’s belongings to Southgate Auction house. (Yes, covid). On seeing the flower boxed roads I realised I couldn’t cut through, (got caught out on Meadway when this scheme just started) as in my days living in Winchmore Hill, so continued along Fox Lane to cut round. I was met with the sign on the bridge, but surely if I’m allowed in one end of Fox Lane I should be advised it’s a dead end. Incredulous, I carried on as where could I go, but do a u turn with another car behind me… big mistake. NCB in the post. So I will never be using Southgate again for auctions, or coffee shops (my mum loved the few around Southgate by the Orange Tree. Just no point to coming to Southgate anymore.
Southgate RIP.
One Community Enfield
on August 11, 2021 at 9:29 am
Hi Miranda. We’re sorry to hear about your father; such a difficult time for you has been compounded by this nonsense that surrounds the area. With regard to the “dead end” question; the road signage used is apparently technically the right one because a dead end or no entry sign would not allow for emergency service vehicles to use the Green Lanes end of Fox Lane. It’s red tape wrapped up with red tape as we believe that a simple No Entry sign with “except for emergency vehicles” would be far clearer and just as acceptable. If you haven’t already, please join us by signing up for the One Community newsletter here https://stopfoxlaneltn.org/get-involved/
This Fox lane closures have made life miserable for people who wish to just go shopping to the local Palmers Green shops. The traffic is crazy and a five minute drive has become 20 to 25 minutes. We hardly ever see any cyclist in the cycle Lane in Palmers Green. The parking spaces have been taken away to make a cycle route. How is local business going to thrive? That is why it looks like a dead street.
One Community Enfield
on August 11, 2021 at 9:19 am
The aim is to stop short journeys, but without knowing why/how people get around the LTN is not going to force people out of their cars. It will just create slower and more polluting traffic. If you haven’t already, please join us by signing up for the One Community newsletter here https://stopfoxlaneltn.org/get-involved/
The latest in a long list of bizarre and dysfunctional road decisions by Enfield Council & TfL. The concept of the Green Lanes cycle route is a great idea but the way it has been built is extraordinary – even regular cyclists seem to dislike it as they are often seen riding on the road rather than adjacent cycle lane. The sudden introduction of poorly signposted road blocks on all roads between Alderman’s Hill and Fox Lane may have been done with good intentions but it’s obviously not working. There are massive unintended consequences: crazy congestion on Alderman’s Hill, Green Lanes etc (no need to introduce Haringey-style 20 mph limits – we dream of driving at 20 mph!!!); buses & emergency vehicles unable to flow freely; delivery drivers (and everyone else) forced to do dangerous 3 point turns in tight roads that weren’t designed for that purpose. Local pollution has not been eased, it has been re-distributed and is now extreme – some roads with countryside-clean air and some roads with dangerously high pollution levels (illegally high???). Surely Enfield Council can see it’s not working as they planned. Do we have to wait for asthma attacks, injuries & deaths before the system is scrapped/amended. That’s what had to occurr before the new left-turn lane towards Arnos Grove & Southgate on the North Circular was shortened 4 or 5 years ago. Come on Enfield Council: there’s no shame in trying something but admitting it hasn’t worked (come and see some of my DIY projects!). Don’t stick with it just to save face. Cars are here to stay – they will increasingly become battery powered but even electric cars have to sit in traffic jams.
One Community Enfield
on August 11, 2021 at 9:17 am
we agree with all your points Gary (particularly the comments about driving at 20mph!). If you haven’t already, please join us by signing up for the One Community newsletter here https://stopfoxlaneltn.org/get-involved/
The LTN has ruined my life, I live on Cannon Hill with a young toddler. The constant traffic, beeping, road rage, stuck buses and lorries, means it is impossible to get my son to sleep. We can’t open the windows even in the heat of the summer due to the now high pollution levels. I don’t drive, I don’t own a car, I pay the same council tax as all the privileged people who apparently deserve cleaner air at our expense. Tell me HOW IS THIS FAIR??? Who decided my family and my road doesn’t deserve ‘fresh air’? You have basically decided there are people who will be privileged at the expense of us. I didn’t buy my home on a ring road, those in the Lakes Estate knew their roads could be busy.
There are clear links between pollution and many illnesses, including cancer, this decision has meant those on the new ‘ring road’ are now at higher risk. I can’t understand how anyone thinks this is OK. They are either deluded to somehow justify ‘reduced traffic levels’ by pretending the same traffic isn’t just sitting on different roads, or they are not interested in our lives and health, and only interested in those living in expensive houses off fox lane.
Hi Sarah
We truly understand how you feel that’s One Community is fighting against this LTN. If you haven’t already you can you feedback directly to healthystreets@enfield.gov.uk
Thank you for your leaflet regarding fox lane. Why hasn’t broomfield lane been included in this as the traffic on the stretch of road with two double bends is dangerous as they speed round the corners. This has been reported on many occasions. Traffic builds up all the way to traffic lights next to the library. As residents we are fed up with it, not only do we have constant traffic but now fox lane has closed the traffic is building up on broomfield lane. Judging by the information on this leaflet it seems that the focus is towards the lakes side. We need to address the issues in the whole of palmers green if we are all a community!
Hi Penny. thanks for getting in touch. One of the big issues is that Enfield Council failed to take into account the knock-on effect of closing roads outside of the immediate LTN. They refuse to see what’s happening and appear to ignore the voice of those living outside of the LTN. This is one of the reasons why the council should remove the LTN and look again at how traffic can be slowed down and be less polluting. If you haven’t already, please join us by signing up for the One Community newsletter here https://stopfoxlaneltn.org/get-involved/
My sister in law has asked me to write to you on her behalf. She has no internet, like many other people she lives in Southgate and is finding getting around more difficult with the increase in traffic due to cycle lanes and the closure of roads. It has done nothing to help pollution or the flow of traffic. She uses a car and cannot use other means of transport again like so many people. My husband has spent over an hour along alderman,s hill to get to our house in Palmers Green, it is unbelievable. That is because he can not use the side streets. The only benefit of this action has increase the amount of money due to fines that people have incurred due to not understanding the road signs which are not clear and in many cases not necessary.
If you are closing the use of roads can we get a reduction on our road tax? I also agree with these comments, although I have complained before I have not got an acknowledgement, I hope someone will get to read this and make a note of our dissatisfaction. Traffic was not so congested before these ideas of low traffic neighbourhood schemes were introduced. So can we go back to what it was before. I feel more thought should be given and consultation with the public before going ahead with costly and non essential projects. More homes are being built (yes necessary) which will contribute to more traffic and congestion if these schemes are not scrapped.
I hope this will be dealt with as soon as possible.
Hi Catherine. Thanks for getting in touch. One of the big issues is that Enfield Council failed to take into account the knock-on effect of closing roads outside of the immediate LTN. The fact that your sister is finding it so difficult to get around is one of the reasons why the council should remove the LTN and look again at how traffic can be slowed down and be less polluting. If you haven’t already, please join us by signing up for the One Community newsletter here https://stopfoxlaneltn.org/get-involved/
The LTN is a very bad idea its definitely not working, in the last 2 months its becoming constant heavy traffic on Aldermans Hill , The Bourne, Cannon Hill , The Green /Southgate , Bourne Hill , High Street , you have forced all traffic on these roads it like this most days , and now everyone stuck , cars , buses , lorries, means now all journey times are taking for ever , normally before LTN introduced its tales around 2-3 minutes from Cannon Hill to Green Lane Palmer’s Green , now its takes 10 minutes and over ..
With all this number of vehicles sitting in traffic every days on hours none stop is causing high pollution levels , plus time wasted on setting on traffic even for ones using buses , more flue cost for car owner etc,
There is no justification for the LTN its actually cased bigger problem , you may think to reduced traffic levels’ but have created even more by traffic sitting on different roads, you should come out and see the problem yourself maybe will understand !
The LTN must be scraped , as its not working who ever decide to come up with this ideal must be deluded , this was never planned through properly as what will the impact will be , this scheme not suitable for this area .. as I can’t understand how anyone thinks this is OK and a good idea ..
Hi George. We agree with all the points made but are still waiting for Enfield Council to make a decision. In the meantime, if you haven’t already, please join us by signing up for the One Community newsletter here https://stopfoxlaneltn.org/get-involved/
Dreadful idea, increases pollution and levels of traffic – as well as causing congestion in otherwise quiet roads. Just another hare-brained idea of a grossly incompetent Mayor.
But the decision to implement the scheme is taken at council level and Enfield Council seem hell bent on keeping the scheme. We have to keep recording the issues and telling everyone what the effects continue to be. In case you are interested and if you haven’t already, please join us by signing up for the One Community newsletter here https://stopfoxlaneltn.org/get-involved/
I have witnessed 2 car accidents in the past 3 weeks where drivers are doing sudden u-turns on high street/Cannon hill when they see that traffic is not moving. I can’t believe how much this project has had a negative impact on so many people.
Five minute essential journeys are now taking 20 + minutes.
Pollution is awful.
Traffic noise is up.
Continuous sirens as only one route.
Road rage.
Have stopped using Southgate High street as it’s means being sat in traffic at any time if the day.
Hi Angela. That’s dreadful to hear. We would encourage you to let your local councillors know about the car accidents; it’s really important that they are made aware of what’s happening during this “non-reporting” period since the Let’s Talk system closed. In the meantime, if you haven’t already, please join us by signing up for the One Community newsletter here https://stopfoxlaneltn.org/get-involved/
Thank you, I thought no one else cared – I received your card through my door today and yes I would like to add my name to this protest about the LTNs.
This scheme is the most stupid thing ever, it is dividing our community. If i want to visit soemone over Fox Lane then I have to drive all the around and go via Green Lanes and Aldermans Hill – And that is such a waste of time – exactly what politicians are good at – divide and rule.
I have lived in Palmers Green for 26 years now and because of this absolute stupidity I am thinking of moving.
If the politicians think this is working for their constituents – the people they are meant to be representing – then it is NOT.
Hi Rasheed. We absolutely agree with you. It’s ill thought out and driving a wedge between people. We are still waiting to hear what the council intends to do about the scheme.In the meantime, if you haven’t already, please join us by signing up for the One Community newsletter here https://stopfoxlaneltn.org/get-involved/
Make all 17 roads that were closed one way. If some roads want to be a cul de sac that’s fine but not all 17. This is causing more pollution and needless stress on people’s already stressful lives
HI Matthew – we agree with your comment that the scheme is creating more pollution and stress. The Haringey Ladders has an alternative system for traffic flow which has worked. But the Council seem fixated on keeping this LTN, although a decision has yet to be made by the council. In the meantime, if you haven’t already, please join us by signing up for the One Community newsletter here https://stopfoxlaneltn.org/get-involved/
Make all 17 roads that were closed one way. If some roads want to be a cul de sac that’s fine but not all 17. This is causing more pollution and needless stress on people’s already stressful lives
HI Matthew – we agree with your comment that the scheme is creating more pollution and stress. The Haringey Ladders has an alternative system for traffic flow which has worked. But the Council seem fixated on keeping this LTN, although a decision has yet to be made by the council. In the meantime, if you haven’t already, please join us by signing up for the One Community newsletter here https://stopfoxlaneltn.org/get-involved/
I was taking my late father’s belongings to Southgate Auction house. (Yes, covid). On seeing the flower boxed roads I realised I couldn’t cut through, (got caught out on Meadway when this scheme just started) as in my days living in Winchmore Hill, so continued along Fox Lane to cut round. I was met with the sign on the bridge, but surely if I’m allowed in one end of Fox Lane I should be advised it’s a dead end. Incredulous, I carried on as where could I go, but do a u turn with another car behind me… big mistake. NCB in the post. So I will never be using Southgate again for auctions, or coffee shops (my mum loved the few around Southgate by the Orange Tree. Just no point to coming to Southgate anymore.
Southgate RIP.
Hi Miranda. We’re sorry to hear about your father; such a difficult time for you has been compounded by this nonsense that surrounds the area. With regard to the “dead end” question; the road signage used is apparently technically the right one because a dead end or no entry sign would not allow for emergency service vehicles to use the Green Lanes end of Fox Lane. It’s red tape wrapped up with red tape as we believe that a simple No Entry sign with “except for emergency vehicles” would be far clearer and just as acceptable. If you haven’t already, please join us by signing up for the One Community newsletter here https://stopfoxlaneltn.org/get-involved/
This Fox lane closures have made life miserable for people who wish to just go shopping to the local Palmers Green shops. The traffic is crazy and a five minute drive has become 20 to 25 minutes. We hardly ever see any cyclist in the cycle Lane in Palmers Green. The parking spaces have been taken away to make a cycle route. How is local business going to thrive? That is why it looks like a dead street.
The aim is to stop short journeys, but without knowing why/how people get around the LTN is not going to force people out of their cars. It will just create slower and more polluting traffic. If you haven’t already, please join us by signing up for the One Community newsletter here https://stopfoxlaneltn.org/get-involved/
The latest in a long list of bizarre and dysfunctional road decisions by Enfield Council & TfL. The concept of the Green Lanes cycle route is a great idea but the way it has been built is extraordinary – even regular cyclists seem to dislike it as they are often seen riding on the road rather than adjacent cycle lane. The sudden introduction of poorly signposted road blocks on all roads between Alderman’s Hill and Fox Lane may have been done with good intentions but it’s obviously not working. There are massive unintended consequences: crazy congestion on Alderman’s Hill, Green Lanes etc (no need to introduce Haringey-style 20 mph limits – we dream of driving at 20 mph!!!); buses & emergency vehicles unable to flow freely; delivery drivers (and everyone else) forced to do dangerous 3 point turns in tight roads that weren’t designed for that purpose. Local pollution has not been eased, it has been re-distributed and is now extreme – some roads with countryside-clean air and some roads with dangerously high pollution levels (illegally high???). Surely Enfield Council can see it’s not working as they planned. Do we have to wait for asthma attacks, injuries & deaths before the system is scrapped/amended. That’s what had to occurr before the new left-turn lane towards Arnos Grove & Southgate on the North Circular was shortened 4 or 5 years ago. Come on Enfield Council: there’s no shame in trying something but admitting it hasn’t worked (come and see some of my DIY projects!). Don’t stick with it just to save face. Cars are here to stay – they will increasingly become battery powered but even electric cars have to sit in traffic jams.
we agree with all your points Gary (particularly the comments about driving at 20mph!). If you haven’t already, please join us by signing up for the One Community newsletter here https://stopfoxlaneltn.org/get-involved/
Is someone in the council on the take ? Why do we have to suffer ,this has increased traffic and pollution
your guess is as good as ours on that one